I hope they at least have a handle on the top, so when something goes wrong and the Space-Sea Rescue team of the Solar Guard shows up they can easily carry the egg to safety on their patrol ship. Or at least enough room you can kiss your A** goodbye and slowly die in peace..
"Pat Flannery" <flan...@daktel.com> wrote in message
> I hope they at least have a handle on the top, so when something goes wrong > and the Space-Sea Rescue team of the Solar Guard shows up they can easily > carry the egg to safety on their patrol ship. Or at least enough room you > can kiss your A** goodbye and slowly die in peace..
When they said egg, I imediately thought of a rescue unit discussed in the early shuttle design stages. There were the days of $10Million per launch, 50 launches a year. A shuttle malfunctions. another shuttle pulls up along side. They don't have a full set of spacesuits - so the crew of the dssabled unit are placed in bags or eggs and sent along a line to the rescur shuttle. Like a transfer betwen ships at sea.
Like with Klipper or anything else the Russians keep trotting out every few years, I'll believe it when I see them actually make something and put it into full production. -Mike
> On 7/24/2010 4:37 PM, Val Kraut wrote: >> I hope they at least have a handle on the top, so when something goes >> wrong >> and the Space-Sea Rescue team of the Solar Guard shows up they can easily >> carry the egg to safety on their patrol ship. Or at least enough room you >> can kiss your A** goodbye and slowly die in peace..
> Like with Klipper or anything else the Russians keep trotting out > every few years, I'll believe it when I see them actually make > something and put it into full production.
Meanwhile, back in Moscow, the monitors of the Mars Confinement Experiment have realized that the reason the international crew of volunteers hasn't communicated with them for two days is due to the murder and cannibalism starting. "Do you have any idea what it's like to eat dehydrated turnips twenty-one times a week?" stated Yuri Jagovalot: "We our Russians; we need fresh and tasty meat." Vladamir Putin has been reported as stating: "Many went in...one...well fed...and powerful...shall emerge...he shall command the Mars flight, as I command Russia." On the Klingon home world of Kronos, the Emperor raised a blood wine toast in Putin's honor, stating that "This has opened a new era in Klingon-Russian relations." ;-)
> Why do space suits have feet and legs? There's a deep-sea suit, similar > to the JIM that has no feet or legs.
Because, just like spinning circular space stations, that's the way IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE! The outside of the spaceship is made of steel, and you stick down to it with your magnetic boots as you walk around on it. Surprisingly, it wasn't von Braun, but Disney Studios that realized that legs on a zero-G astronaut were just about worthless, and came up with the far-more-logical "Bottle Suit" concept.* The Bottle Suit in action; this is probably the origin of the "Space Pod" in "2001": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCK3q8uJoMY&feature=related
*Although if you think I'm about to stick a red-fuming-nitric-acid and hydrazine pipe inside of a few inches of my head so they can power a rocket engine sitting atop my skull, you've got another thought coming. :-D Still though, the thing is a full-pressure hard suit, and that makes it miles ahead of our current technology, as there is no danger of getting the bends while using it...unlike our current low-pressure pure O2 spacesuits which require prebreathing O2 for around an hour to wash the nitrogen out of your blood.
> I seem to remember a similar idea for the shuttle in the '70's/'80's, > but it was dropped.
The zip-up rescue cage-ball bags: http://www.astronautix.com/craft/reseball.htm You wrapped yourself up in there like a fetus in the womb, and hoped they would get to another Shuttle before your air ran out.
Alan Erskine wrote: > On 25/07/2010 5:41 PM, Pat Flannery wrote: >> On 7/24/2010 4:37 PM, Val Kraut wrote: >>> I hope they at least have a handle on the top, so when something >>> goes wrong >>> and the Space-Sea Rescue team of the Solar Guard shows up they can >>> easily carry the egg to safety on their patrol ship. Or at least >>> enough room you can kiss your A** goodbye and slowly die in peace..
On 7/27/2010 2:59 AM, Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:
> Because feet and legs have been found to be immensely useful during EVAs.
On the Moon, maybe. What is needed is something like eagle's feet for grasping things in zero G and giving the astronauts a firm support to work with their arms. And I'm not just referring to the spacesuits either; it would be best if the astronauts had these as parts of their actual bodies via genetic manipulation. This may sound far-fetched, but if we don't start breeding babies with bird feet on them, the Chinese almost certainly will, thereby taking the high ground...or high perch...in space. ;-)
Pat Flannery wrote: > On 7/27/2010 2:59 AM, Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:
>> Because feet and legs have been found to be immensely useful during >> EVAs.
> On the Moon, maybe.
And in orbit. Note how they attach themselves to the work platforms and the like.
> What is needed is something like eagle's feet for grasping things in > zero G and giving the astronauts a firm support to work with their > arms. And I'm not just referring to the spacesuits either; it would > be best if the astronauts had these as parts of their actual bodies > via genetic manipulation. > This may sound far-fetched, but if we don't start breeding babies with > bird feet on them, the Chinese almost certainly will, thereby taking > the high ground...or high perch...in space. ;-)
Umm, right.
So they should start eating bird's nest soup?
> Pat
-- Greg Moore Ask me about lily, an RPI based CMC.
> On 7/24/2010 4:37 PM, Val Kraut wrote: >> I hope they at least have a handle on the top, so when something goes >> wrong >> and the Space-Sea Rescue team of the Solar Guard shows up they can easily >> carry the egg to safety on their patrol ship. Or at least enough room you >> can kiss your A** goodbye and slowly die in peace..
> That looks like a teleportation experiment gone wrong.
Yeah, the arm sticking out the front looks very odd. As was pointed out in the book "The Dream Machines", this thing looks way too much like a coffin to inspire confidence in its users: http://www.astronautix.com/craft/1crgterm.htm
In article <2JOdndaxHLAW483RnZ2dnUVZ_tKdn...@earthlink.com>, mooregr_delet3t...@greenms.com says...
> Pat Flannery wrote: > > On 7/27/2010 2:59 AM, Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:
> >> Because feet and legs have been found to be immensely useful during > >> EVAs.
> > On the Moon, maybe.
> And in orbit. Note how they attach themselves to the work platforms and the > like.
I've got to agree with Greg here. One of the things you need to do during EVA's is to anchor yourself so you can apply forces to other objects without having yourself moving around. Remember for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
Using your feet to anchor yourself to a work platform, say on the end of the shuttle/ISS arm, allows you to put force on other objects with your hands. Also, this gives you some mobility of your body without having to move your anchor point (i.e. bend your leg joints and you can move left/right/up/down by quite a bit). You can also use your leg muscles to help break something free.
If I had a dime for every time I had to use a breaker bar and my leg muscles to free a stuck nut or bolt on my car...
Jeff -- The only decision you'll have to make is Who goes in after the snake in the morning?
> > I seem to remember a similar idea for the shuttle in the '70's/'80's, > > but it was dropped.
> The zip-up rescue cage-ball bags: > http://www.astronautix.com/craft/reseball.htm > You wrapped yourself up in there like a fetus in the womb, and hoped > they would get to another Shuttle before your air ran out.
Another concept which never went anywhere. The current shuttle rescue flight plans call for EVA's using normal EVA suits.
Jeff -- The only decision you'll have to make is Who goes in after the snake in the morning?
> I've got to agree with Greg here. One of the things you need to do > during EVA's is to anchor yourself so you can apply forces to other > objects without having yourself moving around. Remember for every > action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
> Using your feet to anchor yourself to a work platform, say on the end of > the shuttle/ISS arm, allows you to put force on other objects with your > hands. Also, this gives you some mobility of your body without having > to move your anchor point (i.e. bend your leg joints and you can move > left/right/up/down by quite a bit). You can also use your leg muscles > to help break something free.
> If I had a dime for every time I had to use a breaker bar and my leg > muscles to free a stuck nut or bolt on my car...
Okay, I see your point - the legs might be useful in that regard during an EVA. Here's the guy with the magnetic boots standing on the wing of the rocketship, cutting off the stuck latch to release the second stage... when...KER-PONG! ...and off into space he goes, just like Frank Poole http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlOTXDrPurI&feature=related Angie Dickinson looks strange as a brunette. I think it would have been cool if she were revealed to be a Red Spy, and the kid's true father was Gagarin. Also, when they get to the Moon, they find there are Nazis already there, just like in Heinlein. Then the Americans and Russians would be forced to cooperate to kill the Moon Nazis, and Dickinson's character could be revealed as a whoreish double agent actually working for the Moon Nazis by trying to infect all the astronauts and cosmonauts with VD, which she got by banging some guy she met in a art museum, just like in "Dressed To Kill". The kid could then get some sort of robotic dog from the Russians, that incorporated spy gear and was named "The Dag-Nabit". Also, if they had incorporated a great deal of violence into the series, it would have helped. People should get depressurized, and their lungs come out their mouths; meteors should constantly be punching huge holes in astronauts and spacecraft; solar storms should burn people black in a matter of seconds; excessive G forces should crush them flat as pancakes on a near-weekly basis, as the sound of their bones shattering fills the soundtrack. They used that sort of inventiveness in their writing, and "Men Into Space" might have run many seasons. ;-)
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